ban lads mags

I guarantee you everyone who proposed this is a virgin!

If you don't like it, don't buy it, plain and simple.

Do these people realise that they're more fascist than what they're protesting against?

As a feminist, I have never been offended by the idea of lad's mags, because even though they may be considered to be a bit pornographic, from what I can see from the covers (which are discreetly kept up on the top shelf so most people can't see them anyway), it's just the silly soft pornography stuff.

It's pornography that involves women being hurt, degraded or even mutilated that I have an issue with, and I very much doubt that Nuts contains any of that! Most of these lads mags are just about cars and football, with the occasional image of a scantilly clad, synthetically enhanced woman (from my understanding, anyway).

Plus, don't take this the wrong way, but isn't it odd that it was a guy who proposed this? How do we know that he is acting on behalf of the female student body, and not just trying to guess what they want, kind of like those PC bastards in the government who tried to ban "Baa Baa Black Sheep"? Because I seriously doubt that the majority of female students at Leeds are stupid enough to be so offended by a magazine (that nobody is forcing them to read), that they would want it completely banned!

I've heard of this Neil Mackenzie before; isn't he the one who was kicking up a fuss about some stupid reform concerning sandwiches?  

It's probably a religious thing, I can't imagine the majority of female students being offended about those mags. If anything they'd probably pay money to be on the cover...

The thing is that I'm all up for free speech - but some students are literally taking the piss and ranting on about things that really do not matter.

I think the union has changed alot over the past few years and I'm not sure if I like where its heading.

Maybe it's just a cunning ploy to get more students to vote?

What about porn that involves men being hurt or degraded? 

But on the subject of lads mags, has anyone considered they might portray men as retarded drooling morons barely capable of conversing with other men let alone the opposite sex? I've not read one in a long time... I also have a vague memory of them being about as homophobic as jerermy clarkson, but without the sense of humour...  

This union { notes, believes , resolves } is a standard format for a motion. One lays out the facts (notes), the opinion (believes) and the steps to be taken to satisfy the opinion given the facts. You might even see motions of that form at this society's agm.

When student unions are happy banning free speech and somehting that might be considered journalism, and the goverment is busy passing laws that allow extended dentention without trial or laws that incriminate anyone who refuses to faclitate the decryption of encrypted data* then its about time to do something or leave the country.

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/me realises that the USA considers the cover disk of Linux Format to contain Illegal Hacking Tools, and Export Restricted encryption algorithms and quite possible weapons of mass distruction...

Let's go ban that. And probably all ther other computer magazines, and then the photography magasines since they're essentially instruction manuals for making porn and for terrorist recon...

I better go hide my photos of a Duxford Airshow or two... hose my fallout saves and clean my socks.

/me wonders whether this all boils down to a discussion in a pub coffe bar fairtrade food outlet that got out of hand.

http://www.luuonline.com/referendum/campaigningrules.php

*Cough* 

Sorry, we can't discuss this further, as to do so might endager the validity of the referendom

Mwahhahhahah 

Haha! What a load of rubbish. When they say "The Union believes," are they assuming or have they actually done research? No doubt they assumed these mags are offensive to some.

I don't read lads mags. Despite this, I think it's such a bullshit motion.

The dude who put forward the motion is probably currying favour with the feminists just so he can get laid or something.

Object to my libellous  comment? Sue me

Lol the union is run my secret facists in disguise!

You know what masturbating to a lads mag is far better then raping a drunked women after a night out. I say it's just another of those bloody crappy union decision like the hole HC1 form. Fuck me my little neeice can complete it an she is only 8!

Through the idea of men in long brown coat whispering to the counter for there dirty smut would be quite funny.

Man society is so shit when did it become a crime to enjoy sex?

On that note I am going to teleport to a differant location possibly canada and aleave you all to your doomed society. I will be there awaiting the monkies to enslave us all!!!

Okay, people in general; I don't like the idea of anyone being subjected to those things. 

Ha ha, that's probably spot on; heck, half of the people in societies like Revolution are probably only there to get laid!

Only problem is, no real feminist would fall for such a stupid stunt, as they would realise that he is in fact patronising them by assuming that he knows what they want, when of course nobody would have a problem with lads mags, as they are just daft and the people who read them are not hurting anyone simply by purchasing them.

(Unless, of course, they only bought the magazine to roll up and smack someone over the head with!)

That is basically what they're about, yes. They also contain comedy, agony aunt columns (usually concerning sexual issues) and weird news stories about people being bizarrely injured and/or deformed (although that's mainly Bizarre rather than any of the other ones). And there are much more references to sex/nudity than actual pictures of it.

Plus, I've noticed that most people who complain about "pornography" don't properly know what it is. A picture of a topless woman is nude photography/modelling; pornography always contains some form of sexual intercourse.

And no, I do NOT know too much about all this!

What a silly thing to do. There's nothing wrong with lads' magazines. I'd imagine they wouldn't ban women's ones, despite having as much to with sex as the men's these days. It must just be the breasts...

I have no problem with women being topless/nude in magazines, they're paid to do it and it's completely their choice to work. Magazines such as Nuts or Zoo just make me laugh anyway because they're so bad! FHM is much better :) 

Might as well ban womens mags for being just as sexist and often worse. I read and buy both men's and womens mags from LUU as one of the best this about it is the choice of weird and wonderful magazines. I really REALLY wish these pricks putting accross these things would just shut the hell up and let everyone get on with their lives, fucking morons!

Why dont they just ban all magazines, cigarettes and hey lets add alcohol and food with too high sugar content onto it aswell. ooh and anything with caffine. Cos ppl have issues with all those things... Then count the days until they go bankrupt...

Do I find it weird that the only people I have known that regularly buy Bizarre are female? 

I agree with what people have said about it being unfair to specifically target lad's mags.

They're absolutely right about women's mags being equally (if not more) sex-obssessed, as I doubt that Zoo or Nuts go into the technical detail that Cosmo does about which positions work, and such.

Plus, there are a lot of articles in women's mags about how to manipulate men, or where men are portrayed as nothing more than slightly bigger sex toys, with no brain or free will, and no other purpose than for women to try out ludicrous sex positions on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what these lad's mags are being accused of?

I used to read Bizarre, I haven't bought it for ages though. But it's true that a lot of the people I know who bought it were women.

/me rolls eyes.

A simple motion:

I propose that Steve be beaten with the cluebat.

Another standard form of motion:

This society notes that Steve has failed to read and understand my post explaing the format of motions.

This society believes that in doing so steve is being clueless

This society resolves to beat Steve with the cluebat

The first section is factual and is the state of current affairs

The second section states the Opinion that a vote for the motion would be supporting

The third section states the Action that a vote for the motion would be supporting

Why this is useful - consider this example

This society notes that the Union has forbidden the use of social networking sites other than Facebook for the purposes of campaigning.

This society further notes that

• leedsrocksoc.co.uk may be classed as a social networking site
• by talking about the referendum on this site, we may be breaching the union's rules
• there is the possibility of the campaigning parties being held responsible
• leedsrocksoc.co.uk is hosted in the USA, and may be protected by the First Amendment
• those of us in the UK may not have similar rights

This society believes that

• The union has no right to suppress our freedom of speech
• The union is unaware of the unenforceability of their attempt at censorship
• a clue-nuke should be dropped on the union

This society resolves to

• carry on discussing this regardless of any attempt at censorship

Importantly were this motion to be tabled, passing the motion would not require the re-education of the union by means of clue-nuke, nor is the motion on its own a statement that the society believes any of the clauses in that section, only a majority vote in approval would such beliefs be the official stance of the society.

Any of this make sense?

Cluebat: A big stick, used as an incentive for education
Clue-nuke: A hypothetical weapon of mass education

Zoo, Nut, FHM, etc do not IN ANY WAY degrade women! Every woman featured in them is there completely under their own free will and the only content that ever hints at them merely being sex objects is the stuff they say themselves in the interviews!

This is just like when Monty Python's Life of Brian was banned in some places whe it was released; most people who were banning it hadn't seen it or had much of and idea what it was about. Likewise, the people who objected to The Number of the Beast obviously hadn't bothered to read the lyrics properly.

Thi is why I politically class myself as moderate; if you lean too far in either way, you're just going to end up being a total fuckwit that does not contribute to society in any meaningful way.

oh ok..i get how the motions set up now.  I reckon we should plan a massive uprising and get all of the mornic people in charge of the world to step down and put someone worthy of the position.  haha, but how we do that is another thing!

Girls mags are just as bad - i dont read them as theyre moronic as its all about sex, fashion and getting your man.  Sure everyone likes sex but i dont need someone telling me to do this and that to get my gorgeous six foot dark haired rich man :S

Mel, if every woman shared your outlook the world would be a much simpler place for BOTH genders

All the women who RELY on these magazines (casually reading them can be ok though) are the sort who are NEVER going to be happy. There are no strict guidelines to how to dress/behave on a date, men cannot be divided up into strict, easily definable categories and you don't need the technical know-how of Tera Patrick to please your man in the bedroom. Just be yourself, only do what you feel comfortable doing and you'll be fine in the end

lol i read stuff like cosmo and scarlett more as satire, its so painfully bullshit its quiet amusing. Also Scarlett, has pretty pictrues of corsets in the advertisments

haha thanks :)  I totally agree - why are there set ways of doing things??  Can people not think for themselves and act accordingly?!  It's not that hard really, everyone makes things so difficult - and this man/woman divide - sure we're different but the bottom line is that we're all people with MINDS!  My purpose in life is not meerly to reproduce - there are other purposes and goals one can achieve with a brain..!

Apparently our union isn't the only one run by nutters; one of the other assistants here goes to Lancaster Uni, and she says their union president is a hardcore feminist enviornmentalist who is actively encouraging the use of something called a "moon cup"!

If you don't know what this is, then trust me, you don't want to!

the moon cups a good idea. Not that i can use it, but when you think about how much waste other things create its a great idea.

They just sound potentially messy to me

Yes, me too.

I am usually a recycling nut, but when it comes to bodily fluids I draw the line!!!

Charles, I love you and your attention to beurocratic detail. THey want it Facebook only so they can monitor it, wuite obviously. That, I find outrageous.

The issue itself though, I really could not give a fuck about. I've read about 5 pages of lads mag in my entire life and they all sucked donkey balls. 

As did the ugly munter in the centre pages whose mamories appeared to be protruding from her clothing...

Joelxxx 

but I do dislike your excessive use of blockquotes in your html...

Joel 

See, I have a problem with that. People are scared to handle their own bodily fluids. It's stupid. 

They're a great idea and I know a few people who use them back home. Reportedly they're very good.

How do you folks cope with condoms and suchlike? Use sterile gloves to remove it. 

I think it's weird if you're scared to have a bit of a feel around, so to speak...

Joelxxx 

P.S. I thought the same as you at first, but I got user opinions, and really, they're not bad.

It's a "ooo, I can't use a tampon without an applicator, I might get my fingers dirty" type thing... 

Nice to see Joel's in the know about these things

It's not so much the getting fingers dirty while - ahem - applying it, it's the fact that it's going to be brimming with it at the end!

but dont you change/empty them quiet regulallary? i though it was at the same regularity you change tampons?

All testimonials I've heard about the moon cup have been almost completely positive, apparently once you're used to it, it's way better than tampons. Addmitedly the idea is a little weird, but I think environmentally and hygienically speaking it's a major step forward.

 Also banning lads mags is stupid.

As do I given what tim's stylesheet does to it

Talking of Tims stylesheets...

Where are they all. I want more colours...

Tim, surely it can't take six months to change some colourcodes 

Joelxxx 

Find him, kick him. Also find me the bits of leeds guide

Motion 8: Lads' mags behind the counter - FALLS

Thank fuck for that.

Other motions:

Motion 1: Lobby for activity groups' to have access to the Refectory - PASSED

Motion 2: Should this Union support a re-evaluation of the decision to close Boddington Hall? - PASSED

Motion 3: Stop the Royal Bank of Scotand/Natwest funding climate change - PASSED

Motion 4: ID Cards - PASSED

Motion 5: Should our university refuse to accept money from military companies to carry out their research? - FALLS

Motion 6: Should LUU lobby the University for Home Fees to apply to refugees? - PASSED

Motion 7: Oppose the NUS Governance Review - PASSED

I just checked the numbers of votes and the Military one is being re-counted, apparently it was For 1483, Against 1484!! Nice to see my vote actually made a visible difference somewhere